Writers' Talk With Guest Wil Shipley
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wilshipleyatomni: On MS: I think the worst thing the Mac market can do is alienate the Macintosh Business Unit at Microsoft.
wilshipleyatomni: Because if they stop making good products for the Mac, it's game over.
wilshipleyatomni: We're done.
alanosx: I agree...in the past...
alanosx: it was a love hate relationship...but many of the new products...really reflect the Mac feel.
OReillyMac: Yup. That's why we were holding our breath at Macworld. Waiting for MS to commit to Office for Mac OS X.
alanosx: I have a quick question...
wilshipleyatomni: The rumors I've heard is that a lot of the MS guys are just refugees from Claris.
wilshipleyatomni: So they really love Apple deep.
OReillyMac: Yeah Alan
alanosx: IN our last piece...we talked about what we love about OS X...we should get some of that input from Wil.
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OReillyMac: Yes! Great way to finish
wilshipleyatomni: Cocoa, Cocoa, Cocoa!
OReillyMac: LOL!
wilshipleyatomni: Call it NEXTSTEP, NeXTstep, OpenStep, Yellow Box, or whatever, it's the best.
OReillyMac: What else?
wilshipleyatomni: I've been working with it since 1989, and then and now I believed it was the future of programming.
wilshipleyatomni: We have a very smart gang here, but the reason we are able to put out professional-quality apps with teams of 1 or 2 people is all Cocoa.
wilshipleyatomni: It's not because we're super-geniuses (although I think we are...)
alanosx: Also...smart move by Apple including the developer tools with OS X...and they are great.
wilshipleyatomni: I've been waiting TWELVE years to bring Cocoa to a mass audience.
wilshipleyatomni: And now, finally, people are seeing what a small team can do, and they're looking around and blinking and saying,
wilshipleyatomni: "Hey, maybe Jobs was right 12 years ago, maybe this IS the future!"
wilshipleyatomni: I mean, Java was largely inspired by Objective-C and the NEXTSTEP interfaces, but it didn't go quite far enough.
wilshipleyatomni: The libraries with Java were so abysmal that the advantages of it being truly OO were kind of lost.
wilshipleyatomni: And Sun spent SO LONG promising Java 1.1, 1.2, 2.0, whatever would be so much better, we swear, just wait, any day now.
alanosx: What about OS X features...any favorites?
alanosx: And finally from me...what message would you give users about what OS X means?
wilshipleyatomni: I've been using UNIX since I was a squeaky-voiced lad, and so I'm pretty darn happy to have a full UNIX under the hood.
wilshipleyatomni: OS X means: Speed. Stability. Beauty.
alanosx: hear hear.
wilshipleyatomni: Your operating system should make you smile. It's as simple as that.
OReillyMac: That's a great way to end guys, what do you say?
alanosx: sure thing.
wilshipleyatomni: Thanks, it was a lot of fun!
Derrick Story is the author of The Photoshop CS4 Companion for Photographers, The Digital Photography Companion, and Digital Photography Hacks, and coauthor of iPhoto: The Missing Manual, with David Pogue. You can follow him on Twitter or visit www.thedigitalstory.com.
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So far, so beautiful
2001-05-20 01:40:10 tedmcdonald [Reply | View]
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So far, so beautiful
2001-05-22 06:33:12 Daniel H. Steinberg |
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I agree with Ted's comments. Part of what drove me to use IE on OS 9 was the support for Java and XML and lack of performance from Netscape. I do think that the Mac business unit of MS seems to understand Mac users differently and hope that IE will be improved on OS X in the future. I've taken it off of my machine because I had system crashing errors that only seemed to occur when running IE.
I've been very happy with OMNI and look forward to future versions of their product. I'd like to know what percent of the estimated downloads are willing to pay for OMNI to help keep Wil in business. Are Mac users willing to pay for a product that they prefer?
Could it be that once Opera is ported and Netscape is updated we'll have four browsers on Mac OS X?
Daniel -
So far, so beautiful
2001-05-20 23:21:39 Derrick Story |
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I think the points that Wil made concerning IE 5.1 for Mac OS X are good ones, especially that some of the browser's performance difficulties come from the actual Carbon conversion, which is more of an Apple issue than the fault of IE.
I keep IE 5.1 on my hard drive because it can still handle certain web pages better than the other OS X browers, including OmniWeb (at least for the time being).
But given a choice, OmniWeb gets my vote right now, and is my current default browser.
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OmniWeb 4.0 rocks!
2001-05-15 19:51:50 dbatten [Reply | View]
I just bought a new iMac SE/600 to run OS X about 2 weeks ago. The first application I installed from my iTools disk was OmniWeb. I love this browser. Pages load quickly, graphics are nice, and I love Quartz! Bye bye IE and Communicator! OmniWeb rules in my house!
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Cocoa showcase
2001-05-15 05:50:41 bradrice [Reply | View]
OmniWeb is a great application to really get a feel for what a true Cocoa application can do. Using my cable modem with OmniWeb, sometimes I barely see the transition from one page to the next. The screen redraw is remarkable. Flash seems to be pretty stable now, which was a problem I had at first. Those of us who have adopted OSX early wish the best for the OmniGroup. Keep bringing out quality applications like OmniWeb.
Brad Rice
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I love OmniWeb!
2001-05-14 11:53:15 fatih_e [Reply | View]
I have already trashed all the viruses sourced from MS IE default installation.
I think Apple should give us an option whether to install IE (or any other packages comes with OS X) or not.
See you in Hell MS IE!
Welcome OmniWeb!
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I love the look; how long before speed?
2001-05-11 18:03:11 Derrick Story |
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As I said in the interview, I think OmniWeb is the best looking browser I've ever seen. But the question I didn't ask because I ran out of time is, how long before we get the rendering speed on Mac OS X browsers that we're used to? I'm particularly interested in OmniWeb and IE on OS X.
Was amazed to learn that the browser has real roots...it shows...this browser has developed into something quite remarkable...I hope that it can continue blossoming.
I was very impressed with IE 5 for Mac OS9 (it was the first time that I had started using an MS browser as my default after the abomination of NS 6); however, the OSX IE 5.1 shows no improvement other than a SLOWDOWN in performance...sad.
So, I am using OmniWeb as my default OSX browser.