A RAW Look at iPhoto 5
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RAW Files
One of the most common complaints I've heard about iPhoto 4 from advanced photographers is its lack of support for RAW files. Apple must have been listening in on the conversation. iPhoto 5 supports RAW files from selected Canon, Konica Minolta, Nikon, Olympus, and Sony digital cameras. I'm sure the list will grow as time goes on. You can view the specific models on Apple's web page. If your particular model isn't listed, don't despair. If it is relatively current, chances are good that iPhoto will recognize its RAW files. But test before you buy.
As you would guess, importing RAW files takes longer than importing JPEGs. I suspect part of the reason for this is that iPhoto builds a JPEG preview of each RAW file on the fly so you can still watch your pictures as they travel from the memory card to your Mac.
After the RAW data has been imported into iPhoto 5, you actually work on a JPEG that's generated from the RAW data. This makes sense to some degree, because you want to be able to work with the pictures as easily as possible.
To test iPhoto's handling of RAW, I imported a dozen .crw files from a Canon 10D camera. The images were shot under tungsten light with auto white balance. As you would expect, the initial preview generated by iPhoto was overly warm in tone.

Here is the unretouched picture captured under tungsten light in RAW mode.
I then used iPhoto 5's Advanced Editing Dashboard to try to correct the color temperature. After some fiddling, I improved the image as shown below. I didn't get the whites as clean as I wanted, and I had trouble holding the neutral dark gray background as I adjusted the whites, so this is my best compromise.

I used iPhoto 5's Advanced Editing Dashboard to improve the color temperature of my original image.
I then wanted to use the Camera RAW function in Photoshop Elements 3 for the same image. I selected Photoshop as my optional image editor in iPhoto 5's preferences. Then, when I double-clicked on the image in iPhoto, Elements did open it, but it opened the JPEG that iPhoto had generated, not the original .crw file as I had hoped.
I contemplated a workaround for this. What I wanted to do was manipulate the original RAW data captured by the 10D, not the JPEG image that iPhoto had generated from the RAW data. I remembered the "Original" option in the Export function from previous iPhotos, and how it never seemed very useful to me. Well, it is now!
When I selected Original under Export, iPhoto 5 exported the .crw file to my chosen destination. When I opened that file in Photoshop Elements, I was greeted with Camera RAW. Woohoo!
I made my adjustments in Camera RAW and was able to produce a cleaner image than I had using the Advanced Editing Dashboard in iPhoto 5, as shown below.

When I opened the same original file in Camera RAW, I had a much easier time correcting the color temperature and exposure than I had in iPhoto 5.
Clearly, I have lots more exploration to do with RAW files in iPhoto 5. But my initial thoughts are as follows:
iPhoto 5 can store original RAW data. We now have a much needed digital shoebox for those files.
iPhoto generates a JPEG from the RAW data. This is convenient, but it seems to limit your ability to manipulate the file from within iPhoto 5. There's more to learn here, such as is it true that iPhoto 5 actually regenerates a new JPEG from the RAW data every time you edit the file? I've heard that it does, but I haven't been able to verify it one way or another.
To work on a RAW file that's been imported to iPhoto 5 with a different image editor, such as Elements 3, use iPhoto's Export command and select Original as the format. That way you'll export the RAW file and not iPhoto's generated JPEG from it.
If you double-click on an imported RAW file in iPhoto to work on it in an external image editor, you'll actually be working on the JPEG generated by iPhoto, not on the original RAW data. Use the Export command instead, as explained above.
Adobe's Camera RAW provides better editing of RAW files (that I tested) than does iPhoto 5.
iPhoto 5's editing tools will probably suffice for quick editing of RAW files as long as the lighting or exposure isn't too tricky.
The bottom line is that iPhoto has made a huge step forward toward handling RAW data in the same environment that you use to store and organize your pictures. Its editing tools for these files fall short of those included in Photoshop Elements 3 or Photoshop CS. But then again, iPhoto does not claim to be as powerful at editing as is Photoshop. I'm sure we'll see enhancements to handling RAW files in iPhoto during the coming months. For now, we're off to a good start.
QuickTime Movies
As I mentioned at the top of the article, iPhoto 5 lets you import and organize the video you record with your digital camera. In the case of my Canon S400, these are .avi files. I should mention that Steve Jobs said MPEG-4 in his talk, and the same information is listed on the iPhoto 5 site. But it appears that iPhoto 5 can handle just about any movie file created with a digital camera.
This is a great convenience. Now I can keep my short video snippets organized along with my .jpg and .crw files. But for the moment, the good news ends there. If you click on the Edit button or double-click on the movie file, iPhoto 5 launches QuickTime Player, which is what I expected.
What I didn't expect was that if I altered the movie in QuickTime Player, such as trim off some bad footage, and then choose Save, QuickTime asks me where I want to save the edited movie file. In other words, the edited movie does not go back into iPhoto 5 like the still images do.
This needs to be corrected if iPhoto is going to strive to be our digital shoebox for video clips as well as for still images, and I suspect it will be corrected in future releases.
For now, iPhoto is great for storing your original snippets, but if you want to edit them, you have to save them outside iPhoto, and then reimport the files.
Final Thoughts
There's much more I could write about iPhoto 5. This version represents a terrific effort by the entire iPhoto team at Apple. For example, they totally rewrote the engine that iPhoto uses to lay out the variety of custom books we can now create and purchase using our very own images. This function works much better in version 5 than it did in version 4.
Other enhancements include a robust search engine similar to what we've been enjoying in iTunes, and the addition of "objects" for our slideshow and book projects. These objects allow us to create separate environments for those outputs enabling us to manipulate the images without affecting the pictures in the master library. Very clever. And the slideshow tool has undergone many improvements making it much easier to create dynamic presentations from our still images.
But I'm going to save those discussions for future articles and for the next edition of iPhoto: The Missing Manual. In this article, I wanted to get your feet wet with what I consider some of the most important aspects of version 5.
Bottom line, existing iPhoto users should be thrilled with this overhaul, and I suspect we'll see many converts too. After spending just a little time with it, I'm already hooked. iPhoto 5 is fun to use, and it shows great promise for improvements up the road.
So back up your existing libraries and give it a spin. Let us know what you think in the TalkBacks below.
Derrick Story is the author of The Photoshop CS4 Companion for Photographers, The Digital Photography Companion, and Digital Photography Hacks, and coauthor of iPhoto: The Missing Manual, with David Pogue. You can follow him on Twitter or visit www.thedigitalstory.com.
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Wont import photos
2007-08-31 13:18:12 oopsy [Reply | View]
It will upload them but not import them. It says it cant read files. It was working but now its not. It will load the photos that you have already but try clicking to open them. No way.
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iphoto 5
2005-07-11 15:27:19 greenlite [Reply | View]
As a professional photographer, I was very suprised and pleased, to learn I could download RAW files into iphoto. I 'm a firm beliver in capture in RAW then process out to the file type of your fancy, saving the RAW as a digital negative. While no replacement for Camera Raw in Photoshop, I was impressed with the image adjustments available. I was disappointed however, in that I can no longer shoot tethered, as I had in past versions of iphoto. Granted, I had to shoot jpegs but I could view large images on my laptop seconds after making the exposure and know that I had it and could move on, or if I needed make adjustments to exposue or composition or go for another expression if shooting portraits. I currently use Canon DPP when shooting tethered but in my opinion its's a little clumsy and tempremental. I would love to be able to shoot tethered in RAW mode into iphoto for capture and process later in Photoshop Camera RAW. Oh well, maybe iphoto 6? Please enlighten me if I have overlooked something.
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iphoto opening in CS camera raw
2005-06-03 09:22:02 byronwill [Reply | View]
I have not been able to successfully launch my nef (nikon) raw files from iPhoto to the Photoshop CS or CS2 camera raw plug-in. I first changed preferences, quit and relaunched, double clicked the thumbnail (as well as dragging the thumbnail to the app icon in the Dock) but this converts the data and opens the file as a JPEG in PS. Also tried Share >Export, selected PS and PS2, clicked OK, looked like something happened, then, nothing... I'm running OS 10.4.1, just downloaded the newest update for iPhoto. Hmmm.
Any help would be appreciated.
Byron Will
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iPhoto 5 -> iMovie
2005-03-23 13:09:59 sandyk [Reply | View]
It's great that iPhoto 5 imports video from my digital camera (Sony T1). But I can not post that video clip to my .Mac homepage. And I can not get the audio into iMovie HD to post it to . I have tried exporting from Quicktime and importing to iMovie. I always get the video track but never the audio. Any ideas? -
RE: iPhoto 5 -> iMovie
2005-03-23 14:00:40 Derrick Story |
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Ah, well, I could guess what's going on, or you could send me a short snippet (derrick@oreilly.com) and I'll see what's going on. Be sure to reference this article in the subject line and body of the mail.
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iPhoto 5 Film rolls
2005-03-11 19:10:57 ChamPong [Reply | View]
There seems to be a few downsides to the new iPhoto 5. One of them is when you are viewing in film roll view, you cannot rename the film rolls by clicking on the name. In the previous iPhoto 4, it was simple to edit the film roll name.
Does anyone know how to change the film roll name after it has been created?
Thank you
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RE: iPhoto 5 Film rolls
2005-03-12 00:54:31 Derrick Story |
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I admit that it's not very intuitive, but you can change the name of film rolls by clicking on the film roll, opening its info box (little "i" in the lower left corner), then clicking on the Title field to change the name.
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Nice new features but old bug from iPhoto4 reintroduced!
2005-02-20 10:11:06 dlinar01 [Reply | View]
The key objective of iPhoto is to help the user manage (and enjoy) the thousands of photo's he/she has made. This means that it should be very easy to review, delete and group photo's. Unfortunately iPhoto 5 has a bug that was also there in some early versions of iPhoto4: when in an album it is impossible to delete a photo from the album AND the library. In principle this should be done by using the command-option-delete combination but unfortunately it does not work as it should. I have tested ity on 5 macs and it only worked on one of the 5. On the other 4, it had the same result as delete (i.e. removed the photo from the album but not the library).
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iPhoto 5.0.1 Update
2005-02-03 08:30:38 Derrick Story |
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Apple has released an update via the Software Update preference panel. I've posted a quick overview of this new version. You can now use the 'Edit in external editor" command, import .mp4 movies, and more easily drag albums into folders in the Source window.
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iPhoto5
2005-01-31 07:32:28 lafleur [Reply | View]
iPhoto 5
I received iLife 5 on Wednesday 19 Jan 2005.... I proceeded to install it on my wife's Emac 700mhz system... This system has 1.5gb ram and a 80gb HD...
It also has iPhoto 4 with over 12,000 photos on it... A lot of photos!!!... Good thing I have a back up!!!
Installing iLife from the DVD was easy, 20 minutes later if was done...
I started up iPhoto 5, it told me that it needed to update the iPhoto database... 26 hr later it was still "hung" and I killed the task. restarting iPhoto 5 it againg told me that the database needed to be updated and this time it toke only 4 minutes...
BUT, when I looked at the library, all the structure of the library was there with the correct number of photos in each album, the correct name under each photo, but each photo was replaced by a gray box... NO PHOTO'S!!! clicking on the photo caused iPhoto 5 to crash.....
WARNING iPhoto 5 is NOT READY FOR PRIME TIME.... It has BUG's and you may lose all of your photos!!!!!
I have been an Apple developer for over 20 years and am not please to see a product released that has not been real world tested... Apple should be ashamed of it self for releasing a product that people put there trust in to save their lifes photos........
tom lafleur
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RE: iPhoto5 Mishaps
2005-01-31 09:14:48 Derrick Story |
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That doesn't sound good at all, Tom.
Does anyone else have a similar hardware configuration and library size who has updated to iPhoto 5? I'd like to hear how it went.
Here is a note on MacFixIt about the grayed out thumbnails:
http://www.macfixit.com/article.php?story=20050127073104173
One reader, StanT, said:
"I had the gray thumbnail issue show up on one of my two libraries. After a bit of sleuthing, I noticed that some of the subfolders in the library did not have the correct access privileges. After changing those, I relaunched and my
thumbnails returned. This is more likely to happen if two users are sharing the same library."
Thanks Tom for detailing your experience. I hope we can find a fix for the situation, because iPhoto 5, when it's running, is really fun.
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iPhoto 5 & RAW
2005-01-29 18:52:27 McTheKnife [Reply | View]
Quick FYI.
If you drag your RAW image directly from iPhoto to your PS icon on the dock, it will open the RAW file and allow you to edit it as a RAW file.
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RE: iPhoto 5 & RAW
2005-01-31 09:16:32 Derrick Story |
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Yes, as long as you haven't edited them first in iPhoto 5. In that case, you'll have to use Export Original to work on the RAW.
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Some MPEG4 videos won't import
2005-01-25 13:37:51 dyu [Reply | View]
I was very excited to learn of the video importing/cataloging feature of iPhoto 5. I have a Sanyo digicam (model name Xacti C4) which shoots 4MP stills and MPEG4 video. These video clips open and play perfectly in Quicktime Player. But they don't seem to import into iPhoto 5. Instead, iPhoto 5 only imports the first frame of each video clip as a still (no video icon). I'm wondering why this is, given that they are indeed MPEG4 videos. Any suggestions on how to get iPhoto to import these clips?
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RE: Some MPEG4 videos won't import
2005-01-25 15:25:56 Derrick Story |
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Wow, what a drag. Thanks for posting this. I don't know what's happening based on your comment, but if you send me a snippet (derrick@oreilly.com), I'll take a look at it and report back here. -
More on Some MPEG4 videos won't import
2005-01-31 09:21:23 Derrick Story |
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After further testing by both Dan and myself, it's true that .mp4 videos from his Sanyo digicam won't import directly into iPhoto 5. If you open the movie in QuickTime Pro, save it as a self-contained .mov, it imports just fine.
This seems like an easy fix for the iPhoto team. In the meantime, Dan will have to do the two-step import for his movies.
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Adobe DNG 2.3 Format
2005-01-22 09:12:18 Derrick Story |
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A reader asked me via email about Adobe DNG files. At this point, iPhoto 5 does not support that format. I suspect Apple would have to retool their editing tools substantially to accommodate DNG. If the spec catches on, however, we might see support in the future.
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Opening in Photoshop
2005-01-21 15:57:21 StanleyWachs [Reply | View]
Derrick, you write,
"When I selected Original under Export, iPhoto 5 exported the .crw file to my chosen destination. When I opened that file in Photoshop Elements, I was greeted with Camera RAW. Woohoo!"
My question (shamefaced?), what do you choose as your destination? Photoshop, itself, which I am using, does not seem to be a choice. I guess I'm just a bit sad that choosing the radio button to "open in Photoshop," is not a choice that works directly.
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Opening in Photoshop
2005-01-22 12:03:46 SteveAuto [Reply | View]
There appears to be a bug regarding the "Edit in external application" contextual menu item. It's greyed out for everyone I know who has installed iPhoto 5, and no solution has appeared to my knowledge.
Users are also experience a display bug: If iPhoto is hidden, then you bring it to the foreground, then switch from thumbnail to edit view, the image will "shift" in the window and overwrite the iPhoto UI border. Switching back to a thumb view fixes it. -
RE: Opening in Photoshop
2005-01-21 22:21:29 Derrick Story |
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You can use anywhere as a destination, because after you finish working on the image, you're going to have to reimport it into iPhoto 5 anyway. So you can save it on your Desktop if you want.
Jim Heid noted that you can also drag the thumbnail of a RAW image out of iPhoto 5, on to the Photoshop icon, and Photoshop will open your image in Camera Raw. But then you have to save it somewhere on your hard drive and reimport it into iPhoto.
Bottom line is, if you can use iPhoto's image adjustments for your RAW files, it's much easier. If you have to go outside of iPhoto 5, then you have to do more file management.
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Torn...
2005-01-21 15:51:13 SteveAuto [Reply | View]
Thanks for the great preview. I've been a long-time iView Media Pro user, and always looked upon iPhoto with disdain..but v5 has me very curious. I'm actually taking a "challenge" to put my money where my mouth is (write up at my site, http://www.automatorworld.com/ )
I'll be curious to see how other more pro- level users regard iPhoto 5. -
RE: Torn...
2005-01-21 22:37:38 Derrick Story |
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I read your article, which was quite good btw, and I'm also curious to see where you land. Asset management systems are personal things, that somehow need to reflect our own personal view of how the world should be organized. My experience is, that once someone feels comfortable with a system, they stick with it.
I think iPhoto 5 will thrive because iPhoto already has so many users (who will love this update) and because there are so many new people realizing they need asset management who will be attracted to iPhoto's approach. But I think software such as iView will continue to do well too because it reflects a different way to organize, which resonates with a whole different segment of the population.
Or I could be wrong...
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Custom Folder Names, Audio in JPGs?
2005-01-21 07:57:33 KeeHinckley [Reply | View]
"And if you drag a folder of images into iPhoto 5, the app uses the name of the folder for the roll name."
The old iPhoto would do this, but only if you dragged the folder to an empty spot in the Roll column, and only if you dragged just one folder.
To me the biggest gain is the ability to import movies. Up to now I've been using my own script to copy photos (it divides them into folders and prompts me for new meta-information everytime there is more than half an hour between two photos) and indexing with Portfolio. Without movie support I'd end up with some camera content in iPhoto, and some stored elsewhere. It made no sense.
But does it support audio clips embedded in stills? (I suppose I'll find out soon enough, my copy is due to show up at the door on Monday.) -
RE: Custom Folder Names, Audio in JPGs?
2005-01-21 08:45:16 Derrick Story |
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I agree with you that the movie import function is a big deal in this version. And I think we'll see some refinement from Apple that will make it even better.
From my testing, you can store audio too, as long as there's a video track associated with it. There's more detail about this further down in the talkbacks. It's easy to do, and even kind of fun, to add a Photo-Jpeg track to your audio and have iPhoto catalog it for you. Time to fire up AppleScript! -
RE: Custom Folder Names, Audio in JPGs?
2005-01-21 12:56:27 KeeHinckley [Reply | View]
Well, I haven't played with audio yet, but I did play with importing folders, and for the life of me I can't get it to work. The help file claims it will create the folder name, and if there are sub-folders, it will create those. There appears to be no other way to create sub-folders other than by importing (am I missing a UI feature somewhere)?
So I took my "2005" folder, which contains a single folder "01-06 - Winchester, MA - Snowman". Dragged and dropped it on the Library folder (and anywhere else I could think of). I get a temporary folder while it's importing, and then poof, the last sub-folder imported ends up in "Last Roll" and no new folders are created. Very strange.
Has anyone had any luck creating custom folder names, let alone hierarchical ones?
One nice thing (maybe this was in 4, but I don't remember it). If you delete everything in Last Roll (Command-Option-Delete) it promptly displays the previous Last Roll.
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A few comments on a fine preview
2005-01-20 17:51:43 jimheid [Reply | View]
Very nice overview, Derrick! A few comments:
I was disappointed, however, with the Levels control slider. It has black and white point adjustments but no middle gamma control. Hmmm, maybe there's another way to achieve gamma adjustment, and I just missed it.
The Exposure slider effectively performs a gamma adjustment.
iPhoto generates a JPEG from the RAW data. This is convenient
It's more than convenient -- it's essential for the other iLife apps. iPhoto creates a JPEG so that it has something to hand off to iMovie or iDVD, should you need to do that.
It's also worth noting that if your camera takes a JPEG along with a RAW, iPhoto imports both, and they'll appear next to each other in the library. You'll need to watch the Info pane to make sure you're working with the right one for the task at hand.
If you double-click on an imported RAW file in iPhoto to work on it in an external image editor, you'll actually be working on the JPEG generated by iPhoto, not on the original RAW data. Use the Export command instead, as explained above.
There's a much easier workaround: just drag and drop the thumbnail to the Photoshop icon in your dock. When I do either, iPhoto hands off the raw version, as you'd expect.
(This workaround doesn't work if you've already edited the image in iPhoto. At that point, yup, you're working with the JPEG unless you export original or revert to original.)
There are definitely workflow subtleties to working with raw images in iPhoto, but it's great to even have the option!
Jim Heid
RE: A few comments on a fine preview
2005-01-20 18:40:48 Derrick Story |
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Hi Jim, thanks for your comments!
I particularly like the tip about dragging the RAW file on to the Photoshop icon to launch Camera RAW. That speeds up the process of getting the image into Photoshop. Too bad it's still a little weird getting the edited version back into iPhoto 5.-
RE: A few comments on a fine preview
2005-01-28 12:19:47 Adam Engst |
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Hey Derrick,
It seems to me that the process of dealing with RAW files is exactly the same process necessary to deal with images that you want to edit in Photoshop or Photoshop Elements with layers. In those cases, you have to save as a .psd file to maintain the layers, and since iPhoto "knows" the file is a .jpg, you must save outside of iPhoto and import back in (it handles .psd fine for import), after which you can initiate edits from within iPhoto to Photoshop.
cheers... -Adam
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JPG compression quality
2005-01-20 17:46:14 joffe [Reply | View]
Apps such as Fireworks or Photoshop deliver a comparable web-quality image at about half the weight as iPhoto 4's JPG compression. wondered if you noticed any improvement in the compression/quality ration for iphoto 5.
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JPG compression quality
2005-01-24 09:19:30 mattone [Reply | View]
i've been wondering the same thing since iphoto 5 was announced. currently, when i want to send someone a photo from iphoto 4 via email, i always need to export it, recompress it in photoshop, and then send the new file. this has the benefit of creating a much smaller file (for modem user recipients) but leaves me with a extra version of the photo i must then delete or reimort to iphoto.
any news on this?
thanks, matt
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Am I still going to need iPhoto Diet?
2005-01-20 15:25:59 macfandave [Reply | View]
For those who have noticed that iPhoto 1-4 never had a Save function, did you ever think how Apple lets you go on without committing to a particular edit?
It saves the original AND your edited version.
Every time I do a crop, for instance, I am sure that I want to get rid of the data I am cutting out. I have no way of communicating my desire to iPhoto and rely on a freeware app called iPhoto Diet to get rid of the unwanted originals. My libraries shrink to less than half their original size, which helps when archiving to CD or DVD.
Is there any chance Apple changed iPhoto 5's behavior so it is consistent with every other document-based Mac app ever (i.e., you make a change and have to choose to save the changed version or revert to the previously saved version)? -
RE: Am I still going to need iPhoto Diet?
2005-01-20 16:33:52 Derrick Story |
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Yes, you will need to stay on the diet.
iPhoto doesn't create the original file until you edit your picture in some way, including rotation.
But I have to say, I'm in the minority here I think. I actually like this feature. But I'm working with multiple libraries, often stored on external FireWire drives. So I see how this feature could be irritating to those who helplessly watch their primary hard drive fill up with images.
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Force Title->File Name w/o exporting?
2005-01-20 14:43:54 Pete_Arnold [Reply | View]
I'm wondering if a feature I have wanted for a long is implemented in iPhoto 5. I would like to be able to change the file name in the library to match Title assigned in iPhoto without having to export the photo and re-import it. The current and past versions lack this feature.
The other thing I've been hoping for is the ability to burn simple photo CDs (just the images) from within iPhoto. Currently, burning from within iPhoto creates an iPhoto archive that includes all of Apple's metadata files and thumbnails. To make a simple photo CD now you must export to the CD and burn it in the Finder.
By the way, I think you may have misunderstood the "blurring" issue brought up earlier. In iPhoto 4, when you enter edit mode it actually goes through three transformations if photo cannot be displayed at full resolution. When you hit edit, you get blurred-picture->sharp-picture->anti-aliased-picture. It sounds like the new method eliminates the transitional blurring during the process, but I think the guy was interested in the last step, i.e. does iPhoto still apply anti-aliasing to all photos in edit mode that can't be displayed at full resolution.
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RE: Force Title->File Name w/o exporting?
2005-01-20 16:45:12 Derrick Story |
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I don't think either of your wishes have come true for iPhoto 5...
Also, thanks for the clarification on the blurring issue discussed previously in the talkbacks.
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Raw Support
2005-01-20 12:53:07 rishioswal [Reply | View]
I noticed somewhere that you had an Olympus E1 camera. I'm planning to buy the new Olympus E300. Did you manage to test if iPhoto supports the Olympus SLR Raw Format?
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RE: Olympus Raw Support
2005-01-20 13:13:36 Derrick Story |
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Oh, if I only had an Olympus E1! Seems like iPhoto would support RAW on all the new Olympus cameras, but Apple has only listed the C-8080 Wide Zoom on the supported camera page. So I would sit tight until everyone gets their copy of iPhoto 5 over the weekend, then I'm sure someone will answer your question.
I did however, test the .orf files generated with my Olympus C-5050, and iPhoto 5 would not read them. But that camera is a couple years old now (but I still love it!)
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linkage between iPhoto 5 and iMovie?
2005-01-20 10:46:38 joffe [Reply | View]
Derrick, thanks for the preview. In addition to the new tools, which sound great for quick fixes, I really like the fact that Apple felt our pain regarding those little .avi files we record on our digicams. Nice that they're handling those in iPhoto, which should save us all a step.
One question: you wrote that the edit link automatically opens Quicktime. Do you see an easy way to substitute iMovie (or other vid editing app) instead?
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RE: linkage between iPhoto 5 and iMovie?
2005-01-20 13:22:07 Derrick Story |
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The short answer is no. The iPhoto preference only applies to still images, not setting an editor for movies. As of yet, I haven't found an easy way to open my QuickTime movies in an editor and save the revisions back to iPhoto 5. -
linkage between iPhoto 5 and iMovie?
2005-01-20 12:31:56 LouM [Reply | View]
Yeah, I wonder if we're thinking about this backwards.
Rather than double-click to edit the movie in iMovie, maybe what you want to do is open iMove and then have your digicam movies show up in the Media Browser. The question is, do they show up mixed in with all your photos in iPhoto, or is there a separate tab for iPhoto Movies or something?
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Great article, but Raw needs help
2005-01-20 09:40:14 LouM [Reply | View]
Wow, this is the first article on iPhoto 5 with real meat on it. Nice job, Derrick.
Do you have a recommended workflow for folks like me with iPhoto and Photoshop Elements 3? I love the new Raw converter that Elements has, but it doesn't allow you to save your raw settings in sidecar .xmp files. So if you back up your Raw files, you can't back up your Raw settings with 'em. (You also can't save the preview cache images that the image browser generates in Elements 3 the way you can with the full CS.) I don't want to spend a lot of time tweaking my Raw images, only to have those changes lost when I back up my Raw files to DVD.
I was hoping iPhoto 5 would be the answer, but the color temperature example you had showed that iPhoto 5's Raw editing can't touch Photoshop Elements' raw handling. That's too bad. (Also, iPhoto 5 doesn't support my brand new Pentax *ist DS, a great camera.)
So it seems like iPhoto 5 and Elements 3 users who shoot with Raw are stuck between a rock and a hard place. Neither app is capable of both tweaking Raw files really well *and* saving those settings when you back up.
I'm just not going to spend $600 for Photoshop CS just to back up my Raw images. Not sure what I'll do. Hopefully iPhoto 5 will (a) get Pentax *ist DS support, and (b) handling white balance better than your example shows.
Then it would be my (and a lot of other folks') software of choice!
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RE: Great article, but Raw needs help
2005-01-20 13:28:45 Derrick Story |
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BTW: I think iPhoto 5 and PS Elements 3 is a powerful tandem for most digital photographers, and all for less than $150. And I think the Pentax cameras are terrific :)
That being said, your desires are more advanced than many iPhoto users would seek. I wish there was a great answer for you, but I haven't found it yet.
I would be tempted to open my RAW files in Elements 3, make the adjustments in Camera RAW, save out as a Photoshop file, then catalog in iPhoto 5.
Not pretty, but you've saved your adjustments in a non-destructive format and can still enjoy all of the other benefits of iPhoto.
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My World View(!) and Workflow
2005-01-26 07:56:02 LouM [Reply | View]
Thanks for the reply, Derrick.
First let me explain how I see iPhoto and PSE (Photoshop Element) fit into my "world view" [grin] and then what I think my workflow will be.
"MY WORLD VIEW", or "WHAT IS iPHOTO'S ROLE"?:
1. iPhoto is a photo organizing app. Via the Media Browser in other apps (iMovie, iDVD, Keynote, Pages), I can access all my photos for use in DVD slideshows, movies, presentations, newsletters, etc.
2. There are 2 divisions in how I use photos: (a) photos that need to be as close to perfect as possible which is relatively rare (i.e., printing out an 8x10 for framing), and (b) "good enough" photos that will be reproduced at smaller sizes and/or resolutions but whose use is much more common (iDVD and iMovie images are only 640x480, and presentations and newsletters will never use the full 6 megapixels of my dSLR). The "a" images above will be printed directly from PSE using the original Raw file that is processed as a PSD (so as not to lose quality). The "b" images above can all be high resolution JPEGs of about 1-2 MB each, and get imported to iPhoto for organizing.
3. I need all the photos from a single year in a single iPhoto library, so that I can easily create end-of-year holiday cards, and "Best Of 2005" slideshows, for example. I don't want images from within one year broken up into separate libraries.
4. Limited HD space on my PowerBook. I also want to be able to back up my iPhoto libraries to a single DVD+R disc (since iPhoto doesn't support backing up across multiple pieces of media). So my library for an entire year must be 4.3 GB or less.
5. I take Raw photos for a reason--I want control over how they're converted to JPEG. iPhoto 5 doesn't give me that control, but PSE 3 does.
6. I will backup my Raw files ("negatives") separately from my iPhoto library. Raw files are like negatives, while iPhoto JPEGs are like printed photo albums (to compare to the pre-digital world).
MY WORKFLOW
For all the reasons stated above, I've decided to do this:
1. To keep all the pictures in a single year small enough to fit in a single iPhoto library that fits on a single DVD+R disc, I will *only* import JPEGs into iPhoto. I will not import Raw files.
2. I download the Raw files from my Pentax *ist DS into a directory structure on my external Firewire disk that stores 100 sequentially numbered Raw files in each directory. Since each Pentax Raw file is about 10 MB, I can put 400 Raw images on each DVD+R disc.
3. I use PSE's Adobe Raw Converter plugin to tweak each Raw file (the "auto" settings are a blessing, and it's great that I can override them if I want to--but I don't have to) and then export to a high quality, full resolution JPEG (about 1-2 MB each).
4. I import those JPEGs into iPhoto 5.
By doing it this way, I gain these benefits:
1. My Raw files ("negatives") are backed up separately from my JPEGs.
2. iPhoto library sizes are manageable (since there are no Raw files in them), and I can keep a whole year's worth of photos in a single iPhoto library that fits on a single DVD+R disc.
3. When I want a super-high-resolution, uncompressed image to print at 8x10 or 11x14, I go straight to the original Raw file and tweak it to a PSD file and print from there. This is fairly rare (I mean, how many photos can you have on the walls in your house?!) so the fact that the Raw files are not in iPhoto is not a problem. (I can find the JPEG easily in iPhoto, and then use the original file name to go back to my backed up Raw images and grab it from there. Very easy.)
4. When I want to use my photos in other projects where resolution or compression is not so critical (DVDs, movies, presentations, newsletters, etc.), I have a tweaked good-enough-quality JPEG in my iPhoto library so I can access it from the Media Browser in the iLife and iWork apps.
Whew, that was a long post! But, for my uses, this makes the most sense. It separates the uses of iPhoto from PSE, allows me access to medium quality or super-high-quality when I need it, keeps library size to a minimum, and makes everything easy to back up!
I'd appreciate other folks' comments on their workflows, or suggestions on how to improve mine. Thanks!
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Offline storage
2005-01-20 08:54:41 GaryW. [Reply | View]
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2005-01-20 09:05:09 Derrick Story |
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Not exactly sure what you mean... could you give me a little more detail? I use Library Manager to tap iPhoto Libraries on external FireWire drives... if that helps.
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Too bad about lack of G2 RAW
2005-01-20 08:04:58 Yoni [Reply | View]
That leads me to another (2-part) question:
Does the RAW functionality seem to come through plug-ins (like in Application Support or within the .app's Contents), or have you heard of Apple publishing an API to write more RAW converters?
Because I would imagine that Apple would prefer its coders to expend their time on adding support for future cameras instead of older ones. On the other hand, Canon's PowerShot G2 and G3 are immensely popular (as I'm sure are some older Nikons, Sonys, etc.), and it wouldn't surprise me if some users out there wanted to write an iPhoto 5 converter for 'em.. So, you got any dirt?
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RE: Too bad about lack of G2 RAW
2005-01-20 09:06:37 Derrick Story |
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I don't have any dirt at all on the RAW interpreter in iPhoto 5. But it's something I definitely want to look in to.
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interface to Pages
2005-01-20 07:31:52 tomsharres [Reply | View]
Since I print most of my images, I'm very interested in how well iPhoto interfaces with Pages. It would seem to me that with templates, this combination would be ideal for printing scrapbooks, collages and albums, even postcards. I have plenty of Adobe capability in this regard (Creative Studio) but many of my friends and family don't have these apps on their macs and would surely benefit from these capabilities. -
RE: Interface to Pages
2005-01-20 13:33:25 Derrick Story |
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I haven't tested yet, but on Apple's site it says that Pages has full integration with the iLife 05 apps. And I remember from Steve's keynote the demo where here accessed iPhoto images for a Pages project. So I think you're in business here :)
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Comparison to Picasa?
2005-01-20 06:32:10 -RDM- [Reply | View]
Derrick- have you had an opportunity to compare iPhoto 5 to Picasa 2? Curious.
I'm about to plop down the money for iLife'05; however, I dl'd Picasa 2 on my XP box yesterday (free free free) and was seriously impressed with the app. While I vastly prefer OS X to XP, I found Picasa to be a huge improvement over v.1 and even an improvement over iPhoto 4. So much so that I actually had the thought cross my brain that I'd like to use Picasa 2 for photo management ... but I rather jump to iPhoto 5 as well, I just would.
Quite interested in your thoughts between the two.
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RE: Comparison to Picasa?
2005-01-20 14:02:05 Derrick Story |
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I haven't tried the new Picasa yet, but my inclination is to stick with iPhoto. I like iPhoto 5 a lot, and it integrates so well with my overall workflow on the Mac, that I doubt I would switch at this point. But maybe others who are more on the fence will chime in for ya :) -
RE: Comparison to Picasa?
2005-01-27 13:38:23 mark_sloan [Reply | View]
I downloaded Picasa a couple of days ago and while it has some good tools, I find the app itself unbearably difficult to use. The label tool is awkward and the scroll bar IS NOT a scroll bar but some kind of zoom shuttle thing. It's controls are all over the place and does not seem to allow for nesting of folders (thankfully iPhoto5 added this) and the folders are based on the actual file structure. It is too literal when it comes to the file system.
As a side question, can you export a RAW file from iPhoto5 as TIFF and work losslessly in an older version of Photoshop, like version 7? It isn't worth the upgrade price for me to go to CS and $79 for Photoshop Elements 3.0 seems a bit much if I can use iLife for a similar purpose. -
RE: Comparison to Picasa?
2005-01-20 14:14:49 -RDM- [Reply | View]
Thanks for the reply. My entire workflow is also on OS X, XP is merely a supplment to stay fresh in supporting family and friends and such (though I used to make a good living supporting Bill's empire).
For the benefit of all the iLife'05 apps, I'll buy it. I am especially interested in iPhoto 5, so again, thanks for the "review".
It would be nice to hear from others on Picasa 2. I know Pogue has a blurb on it and iPhoto - he gives the editing edge to Picasa, fwiw.
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RE: Comparison to Picasa?
2005-01-20 18:27:56 puggsly [Reply | View]
I don't have iPhoto 5 yet but saw some people comparing Picasa to it so I did a quick look at the application against iPhoto 4 as it relates to storing and sharing photos and there was absolutely no comparison.
I left editing alone because I knew how much things were changing with iPhoto 5 vs 4 and also because I don't see that as the primary function of iPhoto. I'm still cleaning it up but you are welcome to take a look at what I saw.
http://homepage.mac.com/puggsly/iPhoto%20Flower.html
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RE: Comparison to Picasa?
2005-01-21 00:00:00 Derrick Story |
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You make some good points in your piece, especially the one about integration with other apps. iLife 05 and iWork take this to a new level.
Bottom line for me is, if you're a Mac person and like the way your Mac thinks, iPhoto fits in the picture nicely.
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Sound annotations?
2005-01-20 05:26:26 domo [Reply | View]
My camera can create .WAV files as sound annotations to pictures. Would iPhoto 5 do anything useful with these? (Or am I stuck with using Canon's functional if limited and depressingly Windows 95-styled ImageBrowser?) -
RE: Sound annotations?
2005-01-20 09:08:51 Derrick Story |
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I tested Sound annotations - the results
2005-01-20 13:58:12 Derrick Story |
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Well, looks like bad news here for those of you who use sound annotations. In my tests, iPhoto 5 would not recognize the .wav files generated by both my Olympus C-5050 and Contax SL300RT.
There is a workaround here. It could be a whole article, but for now this will get you on the right track.
I thought at first I could just convert the .wav files to .mov files and iPhoto would accept them. But it didn't. I figured out that iPhoto was looking for a video track in the file, not just pure audio. So I added a few seconds of "black" (a 320x240 image using the "Add" command in QT Pro). I then exported the sound annotation using the "Photo-Jpeg" compressor for the video track (the black frame) and "MPEG-4" for audio (formerly the .wav file captured by the camera). iPhoto 5 gobbled it right up, and I could add it to my library.
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Check this out...
2005-01-20 14:16:02 Derrick Story |
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Instead of adding black to the voice annotation, I exported out of iPhoto the actual picture the sound annotation was associated with. I used the Export command, Jpeg format, at 640x480.
I then dragged the jpeg on to QuickTime Player to open the image in QT, selected all, and copied.
I then opened my .wav file in QuickTime, used the "Add Scaled" command, and QuickTime created a video track using the picture. Since I used Add Scaled, the photo is displayed for the entire duration of the audio track. I then exported as described earlier, then imported the new file into iPhoto.
I now have the actual photo displayed in iPhoto while the sound plays. Forget trying to match up sound annotations with the parent images. You can now link show/play both at the same time in iPhoto.
Try it. It's very cool.
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What about speed?
2005-01-20 03:13:32 Beernd [Reply | View]
Thanks for your review! This thing must be really cool! :-)
The main reason why I've been looking for a replacement for iPhoto is speed: with a library of more than about a thousand pictures iPhoto4 is so slow on my iBookG4 that it's hardly usable. One constantly has to burn cd's and remove those pictures from the main library. Has this issue been resolved in iPhoto5?
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What about speed?
2005-01-20 06:45:17 henryhbk [Reply | View]
RAM is very important to the performance. I have approximately 9000 photos in my library, and it's OK on my PB G4 1.25 with 1GB and is much better on my G4 DP1.25 with 1.5GB and flies on my G5 2.5 with 3GB. It also definitely matters the size of the photos. The majority of my photos are from my 3.2MP nikon which it works with nicely, but when I use my Canon G6 photos, it crawls... -
What about speed?
2005-01-20 10:28:40 jammjamm [Reply | View]
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What about speed?
2005-01-21 12:53:57 JasonP [Reply | View]
That is so weird. I have nearly 4000 photos, most 6 MP .psd or high quality .jpgs and I have no speed issues at all on a 1.25 G4 Pbook. I usually view my photos in Rolls. But I often have the last 10 or 15 rolls open. Have you tried that viewing format...very convenient.
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Blurring?
2005-01-19 21:02:56 freelancer [Reply | View]
My big question is, though, does iPhoto 5 still blur pictures into oblivion when you view them? The smoothing/anti-aliasing renders the current iPhoto version completely unusable.
(Preview does the same thing, making it, too, completely unusable as a viewer for photographs.)
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RE: Blurring?
2005-01-20 01:03:20 Derrick Story |
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Interesting how the Apple engineers tackled this "problem." In iPhoto 4, when you double-click an image to edit it, iPhoto would perform this progressive type load of the image. You would get a "blurry" full size picture that at some point would snap into clarity.
iPhoto 5 handles this differently. When you double-click on a thumbnail, you get instead a mid-sized photo, about 320 x 240 that is sharp while iPhoto loads the rest of the image information. Then the image snaps to a full size picture (meaning that it fills your editing space) that is nice and sharp.
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RE: Blurring?
2005-01-21 22:39:10 robertjordan [Reply | View]
I don't think freelancer was referring to the blurring of the image as it loads, but to the *very* soft antialiasing of the final displayed image. iPhoto 4 would often make some of my images appear annoyingly out of focus, even at full-screen size. True, some antialiasing has to occur to resize a 6MP image to screen size, but iPhoto 4 (and even Preview, as freelancer mentions, so perhaps it's a system-wide Quartz setting?) is so aggressive as to blur things out of focus. Do you know if this is done any better in '05? -
RE: Blurring?
2005-01-20 06:08:48 freelancer [Reply | View]
So they finally removed the anti-aliasing? That would be most welcome! I guess I'll know tomorrow, though; I ended up ordering iLife anyway, even though I have reservations about iPhoto and don't even currently use it because of this problem.
Now if only they would make it not need to copy the pictures into its own file structure. That's the other misfeature that is a big problem with it.
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Thanks for the overview!
2005-01-19 19:57:37 Yoni [Reply | View]
iPhoto was the most exciting part of Stevenote '05 for me, and as soon as I heard it would support RAW, I thought "Derrick Story's probably jumping up and down." Kinda surprised it took this long for you to mention it here.
Anyway, thanks again for the first look, and I hope I don't start an overly annoying trend with the following question: do you have any RAW files from a Canon PowerShot G3? Do they work ok? thx. -
RE: Thanks for the overview!
2005-01-20 01:21:34 Derrick Story |
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I was excited about the iPhoto demo at Steve's keynote. But before I wrote about the app, I wanted to have my ducks in a row testing-wise. Not everything I was told from various people proved accurate when I tried it myself. Still, not too bad on the timing of the article, eh?
As for the Canon G3, I don't have a .crw file I can test. But I did have one from a Canon G2, and iPhoto 5 would not accept it. I opened it in Camera RAW just to be sure. And yes, Photoshop Elements 3 could read it. So, I would say you might be out of luck with the .crw from the Canon G3, but I'm not sure...
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Re-Import?
2005-01-19 19:24:03 snglux [Reply | View]
Question... so you have to export to to get to the .crw file, does that mean you have to re-import your altered images back into iPhoto?
I've been using Dr. Browns image processor to batch process my raw files and then outputting tiff or psd and importing those into iPhoto (and saving the original .crw of course)
Somehow that still seems easier than putting in raw, exporting and re-importing... but maybe I'm missing something. I've never actuall used iPhoto's export, I just open in pshop and then save as to get a new pic.
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RE: Re-Import?
2005-01-20 01:32:14 Derrick Story |
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Couple thoughts here. First, I might be missing something concerning the handling of RAW files in iPhoto 5 (but I don't think so). So the short answer is yes, you have to re-import the altered RAW file back into iPhoto 5.
My advice is, if you have a RAW workflow that you like, stick with it. It's nice to have RAW capability in iPhoto 5, but I wouldn't create a new, and possibly inferior workflow, because of it.
I can't speak for the iPhoto engineers, but I think I have an idea where they were coming from by generating a JPEG immediately from RAW data you import. It saves a lot of messing around and keeps things simple, which is still a primary goal of iPhoto, even as it matures.
I also know those guys pay attention to your comments, and we might see some new options in future releases.
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Movie import
2005-01-19 17:28:55 restiffbard [Reply | View]
Sorry, no question, just thanks, One of the biggest things I was wondering about was AVI import ability. So, now I can get rid of Image Capture! So excellent.
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RE: Movie import
2005-01-20 01:37:24 Derrick Story |
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Yeah, I was sitting there during the keynote thinking, "Why would they only import MPEG-4 video?" My hunch was that there was more to the picture than that.
So far, iPhoto 5 has handled any video generated by a digital still camera that I've tried to upload, including .avi. Whew! This is a big deal for me, because I've always wanted to store my camera videos along side my still pictures.
As for your photography habit... I'm afraid iPhoto 5 is just going to deepen your addiction. But you have lots of company here :)
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