MacBook Pro: The Thermal Paste Question
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The Result
To test out the result of replacing the Thermal Paste, Greg and I ran both of our laptops at max CPU for a while. It's actually quite easy to do. You just need to fire up two terminal windows and execute the following in each:
$ yes > /dev/null
There are probably better ways to load up the CPU, but this did the trick for both of our machines. More importantly, we were treating both machines in the same way so that we could make an apple-to-apple comparison, so to speak.
After heating up the systems, we used a fancy Fluke IR thermometer to take readings from all over both systems. All of the readings told us the same thing: my modified laptop was running a degree or two cooler than Greg's unmodified version. Here are some pretty typical readings taken from exactly the same location on the bottom of each machine:

Greg's MacBook Pro with the original unmodified thermal paste is on the left with a reading of 116 degrees Fahrenheit. My modified one is on the right with a reading of 114. Here's another reading from the top, centered on the keyboard:

On the left is Greg's laptop, reading 97F. On the right is mine, checking in at 95F. We took many more readings; some places were hotter than the pictures above, up to 121F. But the message was pretty much the same: all that work seems to have given my laptop a slight advantage--two degrees of advantage, to be exact. With that small of a result, you can actually argue that there are any number of other causes. For example, one flaw in our methodology is that we didn't compare the laptop temperatures beforehand to see if there was a similar two-degree delta.
No matter how you argue it, however, this wasn't the finding I hoped for. It didn't match the glowing reports on the web. Maybe other people's thermal paste skills are better than mine. Or maybe there's another reason. You see, there's a bit more to this story that I haven't told yet. It's time to admit a mistake I made.
An Unanticipated Finding
What I left out of the description above is that I actually disassembled and reassembled my MacBook Pro twice. Yes, twice. When I fired up my laptop the first time, I was greeted by the fans whooshing at full speed. Now, it was nothing like hearing my G5 running full out, but it made a fair amount of noise, and you could really feel the air moving through the case.
How loud was it? It was loud enough to be too loud while hacking code in bed. It was almost too loud when I sat on the couch on a fairly quiet day. But it wasn't too loud for other situations. For example, I couldn't hear it at all when sitting at the local cafe enjoying a double-shot Americano. I can tell you this because I actually waited a day to disassemble the MacBook Pro again to see what was wrong. I figured there was a slight chance the temperature control hardware had to reset itself, or that the Arctic Silver was conducting heat so much better into the pipes that the calibration for running the fans was off.
These weren't likely possibilities, mind you, but I'd taken the experiment this far; I wanted to explore all the possibilities. Not to mention, I really needed to do some other things for a while. And, my MacBook Pro was cool; actually, it was cold to the touch. I compiled a fresh install of Subversion, which is known to strain the system, and left the laptop on my lap while wearing shorts. I felt only the barest amount of warmth from the laptop. The keyboard area was actually cool to the touch. It was the most amazing thing.
For a day I left my system like this. Except for the noise, it was enjoyable. My MacBook Pro was once again a true laptop.
But after a day of listening to whooshing, as well as resetting the PRAM and performing other voodoo tricks to see if the PMU and SMC units would notice the more advanced thermal paste in action, I realized it was time to open things up again and find out what had happened.
The answer was simple: the connection from the motherboard to the heat pipe sensor didn't make it through the reassembly. This meant that, at boot time, the system couldn't take a reading of the heat pipe's temperature. This caused the system to enter into an "Oh crap, we don't know what's going on so crank up the fans to save the ship" mode. It's the same kind of thing that happens when you take the inside door off of a G5. The system's temperature management system responds to a failure in its setup with full-throttle fans.
Once I corrected the problem and carefully reassembled my MacBook Pro, the noise went away. And with it went the enjoyable coolness, which was replaced by a familiar warmth. It was this second reassembly that was used to take the temperature readings above.
So, maybe the reports of cooler laptops from people who replaced their thermal paste are really reports of laptops whose temperature control units are simply responding to a disconnected temperature sensor. Or maybe they really did do a better job than I did. I can neither prove nor disprove any of those statements. I can only report on my findings. However, since several internet reports of cooler laptops are accompanied by reports of louder fan noise, it's a strong possibility in my book.
The Ultimate Cool Solution
If heat is more of an issue than noise, you could open up your MacBook Pro and disconnect the thermal sensor. This will recreate the issue I had after my first reassembly and cause your laptop's fans to kick into high gear all of the time. It's actually easy to do. You don't have to remove the logic board or a lot of connections. You just need to pop the top of your case, remove the keyboard cable, and then disconnect the sensor where it connects to the top of your logic board. It's circled in the following picture:

Once disconnected, cover the end with Kapton tape so that it can't short anything else out out, and then tape it down out of the way.
Of course, I can't guarantee your results. You may blow your fans up, though probably not. And you'll notice that I haven't told you how to crack your machine. There are lots of guides you can find online with a quick Google search, but I'm leaving that to you as a further admonition to open your MacBook Pro at your own risk.
Parting Thoughts
With all of that work, my MacBook Pro was transformed from a slightly too hot yet amazing workhorse of a machine to, unfortunately, an amazing workhorse of a machine that runs a bit too hot. How much is a bit too hot? Well, from a little experimentation, the bottom of the case gets about 10-15 degrees Fahrenheit too hot for comfortable use on a lap. I arrived at these numbers by sleeping my MacBook, letting it cool, then measuring its temperature every few minutes as it warmed back up. The threshold between "just warm" and "too hot" is amazingly small, really. A change of five degrees in the outside case temperature is all it takes.
As far as the thermal paste issue is concerned, my opinion at this point is that although the factory's gooey application may look horrible, it's probably a perfectly acceptable practice given the factory and service center's desire to ensure proper contact between the chips and heat pipe with a minimum of fuss. After all, I can tell you that it took much longer to carefully apply the Arctic Silver as instructed than it would have to just glob on the stuff. And if the end result is the same, why not?
I have another concern, besides comfort, when it comes to heat coming off of the MacBook Pro. That concern is battery life. Lithium-ion batteries hate heat. Apple even has a web page dedicated to discussing how heat affects laptop batteries. It advises keeping your Mac as close to room temperature as possible, and certainly below 95 degrees Fahrenheit. Somehow, I don't think that a laptop that regularly runs with an outside case temperature of 115-120F qualifies as a good environment for lithium-ion batteries. I'll have to do some more testing with my fancy thermometer to determine how much the batteries heat up.
Now, there is hope for the future based on my experience with maxing out my fans. It's obvious that the cooling hardware in the MacBook Pro is first-class. When the system running full out, I can load the CPU and GPU to the hilt and the machine stays cool, almost cold, to the touch. The problem with heat in the current MacBook Pros seems to be a software one; the system firmware designers are apparently optimizing for quiet over heat. A smallish change to the balance between noise and heat will probably cool the laptop quite a bit without needing to run the fans all out, and it's something that I would welcome. Unfortunately, this is something that probably only Apple can fix with another SMC firmware update.
As a final thought, if you are considering breaking open your shiny MacBook Pro and modifying its thermal paste, you probably shouldn't. You run a decent chance of turning your machine into a brick and even if you do the job perfectly, you're not going to get a big change. I gave myself 10-20 percent odds of hurting my machine. As it turns out, I did just fine and my machine survived with no harm done, but it might not have happened that way. You might not be so lucky.
James Duncan Davidson is a freelance author, software developer, and consultant focusing on Mac OS X, Java, XML, and open source technologies. He currently resides in San Francisco, California.
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macbook pro thermal paste replaced
2007-01-21 19:33:15 menajem [Reply | View]
i have my macbook pro for few months already. i never bothered about the temperature. i use a laptop rest with fans and smc fan control. i always kept it on 2000 rpm. i got nuts cause i paid 2000us$ on a "laptop" that should be ok to use on the lap. i found few people that opened the laptop to change the paste, just voids the warranty, but i know to repair them so i did it. before the "fixing" the temperature in normal use, without any cooling system or program, was beween C75 and C80. now that i changed the paste, and any normal thermal paste will work, just has to be applyed properly. now my macbook pro works on C50 and the sensors read the temperature and tries to keap the laptop in C50 degrees. when goes over that temperature will never reach more than C54 cause the fans will kick faster. never went the rpm over 3000 but normally is around the rpm 2000. before the temerature did not reach the sensors so the fans did not kick over 1040rpm, never. now i can touch the part that is over the function keys. i can use the macbook pro as a laptop .my macbook pro is core duo 2.0ghz with 2gb ram, 100gb hd 5400rpm.
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smcFanControl
2006-10-14 18:39:33 James Duncan Davidson |
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Hendrik Holtmann has come to the rescue and released smcFanControl. Find it at: http://homepage.mac.com/holtmann/eidac/software/page5/page5.html
More on this in my blog: http://blog.duncandavidson.com/2006/10/cool_your_macbo.html
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dangerous?
2006-06-26 15:08:29 hajanen [Reply | View]
I wouldn't be as worried about possible damage. I mean I would be worried, You certiainly can easily change Your MBP into a nice piece of furniture. But it is not a NASA-technology-requiring process.
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LAPTOP
2006-06-08 04:48:22 DolceMaria [Reply | View]
It is nice indeed to use the MBP or any other notebooks on your laps, but always remember that you are holding it very close to your >balls<.
I'm a female, and probably it's not good for me either, but I don't how happy for you could be receiving emissions of a 2ghz cpu right on your testicles for a couple of hours or more...
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Things To Consider
2006-06-02 07:21:37 Splatula [Reply | View]
First I'd like to thank the author for taking the time and risk to put this article together.
Now, one thing that may be occurring here is in fact Apple's latest firmware. The fans are designed to kick in to high-gear when the notebook acheives a certain temperature. So, whether you've re-applied your thermal paste or not, the MacBook Pro will still try to keep the system within a certain temperature range.
IF this is indeed the case, then you will likely not notice much of a temperature difference after re-application, but may instead notice a difference in when the fans kick-in and in how long the fans run to bring the machine back to target temperatures.
The only other suggestion I can make is to always get a baseline temperature reading (and fan-timing as noted above) before re-applying to get an accurate picture of any changes that may have occurred. It could be that the authors neighbor had a MacBook with a better application of thermal paste than his own model to begin with.
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not just a macbook problem
2006-05-28 12:26:50 ffr2822 [Reply | View]
my 15" powerbook g4 is also "too hot to be a laptop" at times. It's a curse of the magniseum heatsink case. To make it more bearable, I set the power management to "auto" - so the cpu is allowed to throttle back when I don't need the full speed. This makes a huge difference. Of course once I start doing some hardcore photoshop work, it's an oven again.
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Good idea, could have used better execution
2006-05-25 20:49:43 dwsolberg [Reply | View]
Looking at actual temperatures at intelmactemp.com for various people's MBP 2.0's, I can see that the average core temperature under load is about 80 C, with a standard deviation of about 7.5. The range of temperatures is 34 degrees.
What this means, unfortunately, is that your experiment tells us NOTHING about what happened to your computer because of the thermal paste. For example, assuming that your computer and your friend's computer were both within the middle 68% of computers, then applying the grease might have INCREASED the temperature of your core by about 14 degrees or DECREASED the temperature of your core by 18 degrees. If your computers were unusual, then those numbers would be even larger.
I'm really happy that people are trying to get to the bottom of this, but for others who try, I want to stress the importance of taking before and after measurements. Without these measurements, there is no way to determine what happened.
Let me give another example. Let's say I wanted to see if drinking some ice water lowered my body temperature. To do this, I drank some water, then compared my core temperature to my girlfriend's core temperature. Of course, this tells me nothing because we I might normally be either half a degree cooler or hotter than she is (actually I am slightly hotter than she is). -
Good idea, could have used better execution
2006-05-25 20:59:41 James Duncan Davidson |
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If I were to do it all over again, yes, execution would have been better. I freely admit the errors that keep this from being anything more than a write up of my experiences. At no time will I claim that what I did even approaches the level of an adequate scientific experiment.
Of course, for a statistically valid experiment, we'd need tens or even hundreds of samples. Since I've already risked my $3000 machine, well, I'm out of the running for that. But, I'm more than happy to see the results of people who perform this task with enough rigor to call it a real experiement.
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for loading
2006-05-25 19:49:14 pfile [Reply | View]
to load my core duo machine, instead of using yes, or pi or whatever, i just make 2 copies of the chess program and have both games play computer vs. computer on "strongest"... guaranteed 100% load on both CPUs. -
for loading
2006-05-26 06:41:29 brocklee [Reply | View]
Are you sure? Is the player who is waiting for the other to make its turn doing computations nonetheless, or is just idling? You may just create a situation where the CPUs toggle their high activity back and forth. -
for loading
2006-05-25 21:00:10 James Duncan Davidson |
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Another execellent suggestion for loading the machine!
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one thing i havent seen discussed
2006-05-25 19:46:31 pfile [Reply | View]
all the different forums talking about this problem, as does this article, describes putting a very thin layer of heatsink compound on, since that's what arctic silver says to do.
i think for a desktop PC, that is probably right. anyone that's ever built a PC knows that the heatsinks go on with an absolutely ridiculous amount of force. i'm reasonably certain that such force is not possible in a laptop since there is no room for huge levers, etc.
so i guess what i am saying is that it might be appropriate to use a bit more thermal compound in the case of a laptop, since the distance between the die and the heatsink is probably not as infinitesimal...
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one thing i havent seen discussed
2006-05-25 21:04:01 James Duncan Davidson |
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Yeah. I've wondered the same thing. One thing that I don't know is how much torque should be applied to the screws that join the logic board to the heat pipe. There are at least 4, maybe more, screws that go into the logic board that pull the heatpipe assembly up into the board and which aren't for connection to the chassis.
I do know I was getting decent contact between the logic board and the heatpipe because of the double disassembly. I had lots of transfer of the thin layer of thermal paste onto the heat pipe pads from the chips.
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Just more anecdotal evidence
2006-05-25 15:24:06 OReillyAnon [Reply | View]
Given the lack of scientific rigor here, i.e. no true control group, dubious measurement tools, etc., this can only be regarded as more anecdotal evidence thrown onto the pile. This doesn't disprove the theory that there is a problem with thermal paste application.
Also, the "processor loads" are pretty ridiculous. Running "yes"? That's an IO bound process, I really can't believe that it would strain the processor, and just because you run two instances, how do you know that they're running on separate cores?
Calculating pi is a little better, but you're still really under-utilizing the computers main functional units. You really need a test that does conditional logic, integer arithmetic, floating point, block memory moves, IO, graphics operations, and vector operations all at the same time, AND on both cores simultaneously.
I don't know what that test would even be, it would take some considerable design to do it right; but a high-end game would probably be much, much better than anything you run from a command line.
I think the real lesson learned (confirmed) here, is that there are wide variances in end user results, and there probably isn't one "quick fix" for all users. -
Just more anecdotal evidence
2006-05-25 21:08:50 James Duncan Davidson |
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Indeed. This isn't a highly controlled scientific experiment. I freely admit that in both the article and now. I said then, and now, maybe my thermal paste skills suck. I don't think so, but given the lack of rigor--as well as tens of other samples to make it a statisicaly valid experiement--it's possible.
And, if you don't beleive that running `yes` in two windows won't zip up your cpu temps, do it while leaving a MacBook Pro in your lap. Give it just a few minutes and you'll have a problem. :) That's a simple one to test. I'm sure other ways of loading the processor might heat the processor more--at least it would flip more gates on and off--but, it my case and that of lots of others, the load `yes` puts on is more than enough.
As far as verifying both cores are loaded, you can watch Activity Monitor or use the CPU pref panel that comes with the CHUD tools.
As far as your conclusion, yes I'd agree that the lesson is that there are no quick fixes. But I also come back to my original conclusion that I think the real fix is for just a bit more fan to be applied to the equation during normal usage. That was my big takeaway.
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Wearing Shorts Mode
2006-05-25 15:09:12 mhoggatt [Reply | View]
The natural conclusion to your article seems to be Apple just need to tweak the firmware so that the fans run a little faster for longer. That might shorten battery life but surely it is just a matter of degree, if you'll pardon the pun.
Taking this one stage further, you could have different ranges of fan speed for different requirements, including a "Wearing Shorts" mode where you'll put up with shorter battery life and more noise if it means your knees aren't turned into Ossobucco. -
Wearing Shorts Mode
2006-05-25 21:09:36 James Duncan Davidson |
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That's exactly the slider I want in System Preferences. A noise to heat ratio bias. I like your terminology better than mine tho :)
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The comfortable/uncomfortable 4-degree difference.
2006-05-25 14:52:56 murraytodd [Reply | View]
Your description of the accidental "fan always running" state made me think: instead of a (relatively) quiet always-too-hot computer or a too-loud but quite-cool computer, wouldn't it be nice to get something in the middle?
I wonder how hard it would be to hack the OS so that the computer would alter its cooling strategies for a target temperature just 4 degrees cooler than the default setting.
I wonder how hard that would be to pull off...
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The comfortable/uncomfortable 4-degree difference.
2006-05-25 21:10:55 James Duncan Davidson |
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Hacking this may be hard. It's my guess from what I know that the temperature control logic is running at the firmware level and not in the system kernel. If so, then it's much harder to hack. We shall see. If somebody can do it, they will! I personally look forward to it.
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More data please
2006-05-25 09:33:51 iobject [Reply | View]
I applaud your efforts. My only concern is some missing information. As reported, the big experimental flaw is the lack of pre-test data. That is, what were the temperatures of the two machines prior to the reapp of thermal compound? What are the build weeks of the machines? If yours is week 5 (for example) and the "control" is a week 13, and/or the temperature readings of yours before the treatment was much higher, the comparison to the other machine is like comparing apples and rotten apples, so to speak. -
More data please
2006-05-25 21:12:52 James Duncan Davidson |
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Yah. I wish I had known that the process was going to be this interesting when I started and had documented more.
My machine is, if I'm reading the serial number right, a week 7. My serial number starts W86074....
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One more addition
2006-05-24 19:11:01 DaffyDuck [Reply | View]
It seems to me that you have seen your computer operate at 2 extremes. Barely any fan operation and fans blasting at full speed. You have determined that the "Barely any fan operation" is the correct one is a design decision by Apple. But there is a middle ground. With normal use, the left fan in my machine runs constantly at a fairly low and quite speed. The processor stays at roughly 47C and the case is quite cool. I don't have a laser thermometer to check the case temp but I can watch a movie with the computer on my lap with shorts on. The fans don't have to blast to accomplish this.
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One more addition
2006-05-25 00:35:44 James Duncan Davidson |
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Wow. That's cool! (heh) I want your MacBook Pro. Is it a 17"? Or one that you bought very recently? It's certainly a different experience than I have.
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Lithium Ion vs. Lithium Polymer
2006-05-24 13:00:03 James Duncan Davidson |
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I've had a few people ping me about the statement I made about the MacBook Pro using a Lithium-ion battery. The correction is that the MacBook Pro uses what is called a Lithium polymer battery.
Wikipedia has an nice entry on the differences between Lithium-ion and the more formally known Lithium-ion Polymer battery technologies:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_polymer
Short form is that the chemistry is roughly the same, but since the electrolyte is held in a solid polymer form rather than a solvent form, a Lithium-ion Polymer battery lends itself to lighter and more flexible designs as well as are less hazardous.
So far I haven't found a good run down on the heat-characteristics of Lithium-ion Polymer versus Lithium-ion batteries, but I did notice that the Apple battery page talks about "Lithium-based" batteries.
If anybody has some good data that they could point us to on this topic, that'd be great.
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Batteries
2006-05-24 12:31:34 bspaid [Reply | View]
James, just an FYI: all the new MacBook Pros use Lithium-Polymer batteries. Not sure if they have the same aversion to heat, however.
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Nice write up
2006-05-23 21:20:28 jdb8167 [Reply | View]
Nice write up, thanks for helping defuse this latest myth.
I do have a couple of points. While unimportant to your experiment two ways to actually crank up the heat on the CPU better than the yes >/dev/null are:
echo 'scale=10000;4*a(1);' |bc -l -q
This calculates Pi to 10,000 digits. Either run with an & and up arrow to run again on a second thread or with two Terminal windows.
The other is to use the openssl speed function. This reportedly stresses the CPU pretty well and is easier to type:
openssl speed &
The other point was you can get a real reading on the CPU temperature with a kernel extension written by InCrew.org:
http://www.increw.com/downloads/task,cat_view/gid,26/
You can find it nicely packaged version called CoreDuoTemp. It with a GUI application to measure temperatures and the current SpeedStep CPU frequency here:
http://macbricol.free.fr/coreduotemp/
Thanks again for this. It is not something I was willing to do with my MacBook Pro but I was curious to find out if there really was something wrong with Apple's build process. I'm pretty now confident that there really isn't. -
Nice write up
2006-05-24 17:09:05 chambone [Reply | View]
"Nice write up, thanks for helping defuse this latest myth."
It's not a myth.
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Nice write up
2006-05-25 21:15:08 James Duncan Davidson |
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I wouldn't call it a myth. I wouldn't call it not a myth. I call it a question that remains wide open.
The new thing that I think I brought to the table was the observation that the cooling hardware is more than adequate and that there's probably a bigger change to be made by changing the amount of air that the cooling system moves than all the thermal paste changes you could make. -
Nice write up
2006-05-24 13:21:21 James Duncan Davidson |
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Those are some great ways to exercise your CPU, in particular I like the OpenSSL speed test one. That's awesome.
I did indeed play with Speedit.kext and CoreDuoTemp while checking all of this stuff out. A tool called Hardware Monitor will also give you CPU temperature readouts:
I didn't include results from these tools in this article primarily because I was focused on outside case temperature. After all, what matters to your lap is the temperture of the metal against your legs. (grin).
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Heat
2006-05-23 19:35:01 brocklee [Reply | View]
Heat doesn't magically disappear. It's transferred.
Isn't the purpose of the laptop's temperature control system to get the heat out of the laptop so it doesn't damage the components? If your modified laptop is cooler than the unmodified one at each test point, isn't the implication that the modified laptop is keeping more heat internally (assuming that the heat-generating components are producing the same heat)?
At the very least I would hope that the modified laptop was generating more heat from the vents, indicating it's being transferred to air rather than the case. -
Heat
2006-05-23 20:29:28 James Duncan Davidson |
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I should elaborate a bit more. If there weren't an active heat transfer system in place, it'd be easier to take a static approach to thinking about the problem--the same as we'd use to think about dropping a piece of ice in an insulated glass.
But what isn't that obvious from the pictures--is that the heat pipe that the chips sit on are connected to two decent size radiators through which the impressive on-board fans blow. The technology used to move heat out of the chips and into air makes the HVAC system in your house look fairly quaint.
Heat pipes are extremely efficient at transmitting thermal energy. And once that energy has been sucked out of the chips and transferred into a continous source of air, the simple static model of thinking about it can't be used.
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2006-05-23 20:30:56 James Duncan Davidson |
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Darn it, the threading of this is the reverse of what I was expecting. I was writing the above to follow onto my comment below. Oops. -
Heat
2006-05-24 16:48:00 brocklee [Reply | View]
Thank you for the detailed response. What if you were to put a ceramic tile a given distance from the vents and measure it with the IR thermometer as a way to measure the temperature of the air? I'm thinking ceramic tile would be better than a metal since heat doesn't seem to spread so through the tile as readily. BTW, IANAME (I am not a materials engineer), so I'm just speculating. -
Heat
2006-05-23 20:14:48 James Duncan Davidson |
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Indeed. Heat transfer is the whole point of the game. You want heat to be transferred from the chip to the heat pipe system and then to the radiators attached to the heat pipe where the fans can blow it out. Heat transmitted through the case (and into your lap or through the keyboard) is heat that wasn't blown out of the system by the sophisticated heat pipe system. A cooler temperature on the case means that heat is being transferred to air via the heat pipe system to the fans and then to the outside air.
An IR thermometer isn't adequate to measure the amount of heat coming out the vents. It gives good readings of the temperature of solid bodies, but since air moves, the heat removed from the system cannot be determined by measuring the heat of the vents. It's hard to measure with the equipment at hand. And the more heat energy that is removed from the system via air, the less heat energy is being dissapated through the case which means the lower the surface temperature will be.
In other words, you're correct that heat doesn't magically disappear and that it is transferred. But without measuring the total heat of the system--including the total heat exchanged into air and vented, we can't balance the equation. A simple IR thermoter won't do it. We'd have to get a more sophisticated facility, probably one that mimic those used to test HVAC equipment, to be able to do that.
But all of this goes way beyond the point. 2F is not a big delta. Using the equipment available to me, and accepting the errors inherit in how this is done, the delta is certainly no indication that any net change was made by changing out the thermal paste. It certainly is a long way from the 10-20C (18-36F) delta that has been claimed elsewhere.
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Thanks
2006-05-23 18:49:55 AltOpt [Reply | View]
Nice logical write up. Thanks. The SMC update fixed my moo moo sound. After reading this I feel even less tempted to pry open the casing. -
Thanks
2006-05-25 21:16:12 James Duncan Davidson |
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Good good. If there's any one thing I wanted to do more than anything, it was to keep people from unecessarily risking their machines because they wanted to try something they thought had a high chance of reducing their heat.
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in awe as usual
2006-05-23 18:16:42 Daniel H. Steinberg |
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You are a geek among geeks. Nicely done.
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in awe as usual
2006-05-26 12:52:16 James Duncan Davidson |
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The laser guided IR thermometer marks me, I know :)
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The Un-Laptop
2006-05-23 17:05:56 ToddCGull [Reply | View]
I do love my MacBook Pro, but, as you state, the heat issue makes it not a great machine to keep in your lap, as I like to do.
The MagSafe power connector can also be a nuisance when the machine is in your lap. It pops out a little too easily. When it's in my lap, I keep it unplugged until I get low on juice and then plug it back in and use it on a surface where it doesn't come out so easily.
As for cracking the case, I guess this is too difficult for the "Geniuses" at the Apple stores. My MBP shipped with a bum SuperDrive and I have to give it up for 7 to 10 days to get it fixed!
MacBook Pro 1.0 is not for the faint of heart. -
The Un-Laptop
2006-06-02 17:41:48 Unseelie [Reply | View]
Actually, a fair number of the geniuses are in fact qualified to crack the cases... however, they're not allowed to. Almost all repairs are sent to a central depo for (theoretical) cost savings purposes.
I say theoretical because my 12" PB G4 was shipped off three times for video issues, the first two times they replaced the LCD, despite the fact that the issue reproduced on a secondary display. Replacing the LCD twice unnecessarily eats up a lot of supposed cost savings. -
The Un-Laptop
2006-05-25 09:17:55 DuckFOO [Reply | View]
From page 107 of the MacBook Pro user manual:
"Do not leave the bottom of your MacBook Pro in contact with your lap or any surface of your body for extended periods. Prolonged contact with your body could cause discomfort and potentially a burn."
If you look around, you will notice that only users call Notebook computers "laptops" anymore. -
The Un-Laptop
2006-05-25 21:17:57 James Duncan Davidson |
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Indeed you are correct, but I would like to buy a laptop please. Not a notebook that I would really like to use as a laptop.
Maybe that's the real long-term thing that will come about because of all this attention on heat--the fact that quite a few users want laptops. Not just notebooks, but true portables that can be used in any situation.






***If you use the internal temp sensor widgets, you will notice the component temp go down when the case gets hot.
Basically, we should all have more faith in a company that has obviously spent a lot of time and technical expertise into their designs.